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	<title>Comments on: Rundown of Arizona Ballot initiatives for 2008</title>
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		<title>By: bouncer</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-9335</link>
		<dc:creator>bouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;don&#039;t know who you are but appreciate the insight into these arizona iniatives.  too early to day i disagree or agree with you but you have got me thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t know who you are but appreciate the insight into these arizona iniatives.  too early to day i disagree or agree with you but you have got me thinking.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-9108</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe- I am sorry you feel this way about 101--- I believe you do have it  all wrong--- it does not force anyone or anything (government) to do or spend any money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will place zero burden on the state--- if someone wants to choose alternative care and pay directly, or have a niche relationship with a doctor--- we must protect that right to keep the corporate interests from completely taking over.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the dialogue-- Prop 101 simply must pass, and I hope to be able to prove you wrong on you concerns.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe- I am sorry you feel this way about 101&#8212; I believe you do have it  all wrong&#8212; it does not force anyone or anything (government) to do or spend any money.</p>

<p>It will place zero burden on the state&#8212; if someone wants to choose alternative care and pay directly, or have a niche relationship with a doctor&#8212; we must protect that right to keep the corporate interests from completely taking over.</p>

<p>I appreciate the dialogue&#8211; Prop 101 simply must pass, and I hope to be able to prove you wrong on you concerns.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tracy,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve taken some time to thoroughly re-read the proposition, and without changes to the language, it&#039;s not something I would vote for.  As it is currently worded it would require that the state maintain &quot;private&quot; insurers even if they cannot compete with a hypothetical public healthcare system.  It even could be read to imply that the state must provide private competition to medicare and medicaid, even if those alternatives don&#039;t exist today or are completely impractical.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If we&#039;re really interested in preserving choice, this initiative needs serious review by a lawyer who can craft the language in such a way as to not place burdens on the state if a universal healthcare option is adopted by voters.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve taken some time to thoroughly re-read the proposition, and without changes to the language, it&#8217;s not something I would vote for.  As it is currently worded it would require that the state maintain &#8220;private&#8221; insurers even if they cannot compete with a hypothetical public healthcare system.  It even could be read to imply that the state must provide private competition to medicare and medicaid, even if those alternatives don&#8217;t exist today or are completely impractical.</p>

<p>If we&#8217;re really interested in preserving choice, this initiative needs serious review by a lawyer who can craft the language in such a way as to not place burdens on the state if a universal healthcare option is adopted by voters.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-8901</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe- what you have is being put out there by the out-of-state insurers who olnly want their profits protected with &#039;Haliburton&#039; style contracts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Prop 101 does not prevent &#039;universal&#039; care--- it just means that you and I will have a chance to influence the process (unless, of course, you have your own lobbyist).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Far better here to vote YES than to take a chance--- really, the opposition alone gives me the creeps enough to vote yes, even if I did not know anything else about it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe- what you have is being put out there by the out-of-state insurers who olnly want their profits protected with &#8216;Haliburton&#8217; style contracts.</p>

<p>Prop 101 does not prevent &#8216;universal&#8217; care&#8212; it just means that you and I will have a chance to influence the process (unless, of course, you have your own lobbyist).</p>

<p>Far better here to vote YES than to take a chance&#8212; really, the opposition alone gives me the creeps enough to vote yes, even if I did not know anything else about it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe Mullins</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-8825</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tracy, it&#039;s a good argument, but from what I&#039;ve read, as the amendment is currently written it could prevent a universal healthcare system from being adopted.  I&#039;m no lawyer but I trust that given how general the proposal is, it&#039;s easy to see how it could be open to many different interpretations by the courts.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, it&#8217;s a good argument, but from what I&#8217;ve read, as the amendment is currently written it could prevent a universal healthcare system from being adopted.  I&#8217;m no lawyer but I trust that given how general the proposal is, it&#8217;s easy to see how it could be open to many different interpretations by the courts.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: NoProp200</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoProp200</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are spot on about Prop 200!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The payday system is irresponsible at best. It thrives on putting people into debt– getting them to take out loan after loan after loan. To put it in perspective: someone who may need $300 and borrows it from a payday lender will typically owe $800, courtesy of the outrageous interest rates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, the payday lending industry has put $12 million (and counting) into misleading voters – all in a preemptive effort to get around the legislature and protect their 400% interest rates!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For more information, go to: http://www.200isnoreform.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are spot on about Prop 200!</p>

<p>The payday system is irresponsible at best. It thrives on putting people into debt– getting them to take out loan after loan after loan. To put it in perspective: someone who may need $300 and borrows it from a payday lender will typically owe $800, courtesy of the outrageous interest rates.</p>

<p>Now, the payday lending industry has put $12 million (and counting) into misleading voters – all in a preemptive effort to get around the legislature and protect their 400% interest rates!</p>

<p>For more information, go to: <a href="http://www.200isnoreform.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.200isnoreform.com</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kathryn kobor</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathryn kobor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PLEASE VOTE NO ON PROP 202.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;THIS PROP, IF PASSED WOULD 
NULLIFY OUR CURRENT SANCTIONS LAW,
E-VERIFY!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;GREEDY BUSINESS ARE BEHIND THIS
SELFISH, SELF SERVING PROPOSITION!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;THIS PROP. IS IN FACT, EMPLOYER AMNESTY&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE VOTE NO ON PROP 202.</p>

<p>THIS PROP, IF PASSED WOULD 
NULLIFY OUR CURRENT SANCTIONS LAW,
E-VERIFY!</p>

<p>GREEDY BUSINESS ARE BEHIND THIS
SELFISH, SELF SERVING PROPOSITION!</p>

<p>THIS PROP. IS IN FACT, EMPLOYER AMNESTY</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-8795</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe--&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hate to sound trite, but just look at the Bill of Rights-- many argued that they were unnecessary, which is why there was not enough agreement to get them as part of the Constitution to begin with--- are we not protected for the separation of church and state and our pro-choice rights from this?  We certainly cannot trust the elected officials-- who, of BOTH parties, are often more at the mercy of lobbyists than their constituents (or their conscience).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The opposition makes this clear: out of state insurance companies that ONLY have government contracts (can you smell Haliburton), big doctor groups (can you say money for than quality), big hospitals (remember, Catholic Healthcare just settled for overcharging the uninsured and Banner has a master charge sheet over 10x some other hospitals).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I care about this issue alot--- we need some kind of protection against special interest money or, as Senator Biden says, we will all be &#039;eaten for lunch&#039; by the powerful people sitting around the table when health care reform is discussed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope I can convince you that YES on 101 is for you and all of your friends.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe&#8211;</p>

<p>I hate to sound trite, but just look at the Bill of Rights&#8211; many argued that they were unnecessary, which is why there was not enough agreement to get them as part of the Constitution to begin with&#8212; are we not protected for the separation of church and state and our pro-choice rights from this?  We certainly cannot trust the elected officials&#8211; who, of BOTH parties, are often more at the mercy of lobbyists than their constituents (or their conscience).</p>

<p>The opposition makes this clear: out of state insurance companies that ONLY have government contracts (can you smell Haliburton), big doctor groups (can you say money for than quality), big hospitals (remember, Catholic Healthcare just settled for overcharging the uninsured and Banner has a master charge sheet over 10x some other hospitals).</p>

<p>I care about this issue alot&#8212; we need some kind of protection against special interest money or, as Senator Biden says, we will all be &#8216;eaten for lunch&#8217; by the powerful people sitting around the table when health care reform is discussed.</p>

<p>I hope I can convince you that YES on 101 is for you and all of your friends.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: LaMigra</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaMigra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OMG............. You are so right about Prop 202!  Should have known since these are all employers of illegal aliens!!!  Boy they must have hired some real big money to get this Prop this far, I guess they think they will make it all up when they slip this by the majority and hire their cheap illegals again legally!!!  That must be what they mean by STOP ILLEGAL HIRING!  It means theirs!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. You are so right about Prop 202!  Should have known since these are all employers of illegal aliens!!!  Boy they must have hired some real big money to get this Prop this far, I guess they think they will make it all up when they slip this by the majority and hire their cheap illegals again legally!!!  That must be what they mean by STOP ILLEGAL HIRING!  It means theirs!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe Mullins</title>
		<link>http://joemullins.com/archive/2008/10/16/rundown-of-arizona-ballot-initiatives-for-2008.php/comment-page-1#comment-8763</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tracy,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do support the idea that everyone should have choices in medical coverage and procedures.  But I can&#039;t see why it&#039;s necessary to amend the state constitution.  Isn&#039;t it better to just have our representatives nuke any laws that try to restrict choice?  I haven&#039;t filled out that box on my early ballot.  If you can make a compelling argument for why we need a constitutional amendment, I may go your way.  Heck, if you have other arguments for 100, and 201 I&#039;d love to hear them. You never know, I could be persuaded.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>

<p>I do support the idea that everyone should have choices in medical coverage and procedures.  But I can&#8217;t see why it&#8217;s necessary to amend the state constitution.  Isn&#8217;t it better to just have our representatives nuke any laws that try to restrict choice?  I haven&#8217;t filled out that box on my early ballot.  If you can make a compelling argument for why we need a constitutional amendment, I may go your way.  Heck, if you have other arguments for 100, and 201 I&#8217;d love to hear them. You never know, I could be persuaded.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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